Shying From the Saddle Blanket

 

Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Lynnie   12/21/99 

Re: Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Priscilla Gomez   12/21/99 
Re: Re: Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Natrlhorse   12/21/99 
Re: Re: Re: Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Lynnie   12/21/99 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Priscilla Gomez   12/22/99 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Craig Hamilton   12/21/99 
Re: Re: Re:  Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Priscilla Gomez   12/22/99 
Re: Re: Re: Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Natrlhorse   12/22/99 
Re: Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Priscilla Gomez   12/22/99 
Shying From the Saddle Blanket my 2cents and it may not be popular By Allison   12/22/99 

 

Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Lynnie   12/21/99 

As I have mentioned in previous articles, my new 5 yr. old mare shies from the saddle pad. The other day she jerked the lead rope loose and then another day she broke the reins while my husband was holding her. She didn't go anywhere either time and really didn't act very flighty. I have had that saddle pad by her feed bucket, hanging on the fence, and I've led her up to it and let her smell it time after time. 

But if you pick it up, she's going to try you even though she gets a carrot now and then when she stands quietly to have it laid on her. After it is on her back, she is cool. The rest on the saddling is no problem. My local "old cowboy" told me to back her into a corner, then pick up the pad and eventually she would see that her game was no fun anymore.....What do we think? 

Re: Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Priscilla Gomez   12/21/99 

I'm not an expert, but NEVER back an animal into a corner for any reason. I think that frightens them to death, so to speak. I would keep doing what your doing and hopefully she will calm down. I'm one that believes in patience over long term.

Re: Re: Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Natrlhorse   12/21/99 

What is the history of your horse? Has she ever been beaten or in a situation where she was frightened by something large like a saddle pad coming at her? It's true the corner is a bad idea, she should be introduced to it in a place where she is free to move away from the saddle pad so that she does not feel pressured. 

But first off you should take a step back and see how you are presenting her with the pad when you go to put it on her back, solving the problem could be a simple as that. You could be inadvertently spooking her in the way you carry the pad over to her. 

Re: Re: Re: Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Lynnie   12/21/99 

I don't know the horse's history or what she's been beat with or if she has been beat but I do know that when I reach for the saddle pad, she makes little moves. I don't even have to pick the pad up for her to get ready to play. As I said, she is not spooked, she is backing up or dodging. It is true that I can "sneak" the pad on her. The horse is trying to stall a little on being saddled. I probably wouldn't back her into a corner but only because I don't have a handy one. 

I agree that the horses behavior should be analyzed but I think on a deal like this you can overanalyze and worry about how you carry a saddle pad and how you hold your mouth until you have a stubborn horse with a whole bunch of little problems that you are working on. I think my solution to the problem is going to be a loud slap on her shoulder, a jerk of the halter, and a mild cussing. If that doesn't work, I may build a corner...

Re: Re: Re: Re: Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Priscilla Gomez   12/22/99 

All I have to say regarding the last comments you made is: Scary.....I can't believe you would openly say that you may slap, jerk on her and then cuss a little. I am not trying to be nasty, but I thought you wanted helpful advise that would help you with your horse and it sounds more like if you don't get the okay and the reinforcement that backing her into a corner or doing those other ugly things to your "friend" (that should be able to trust you) than you are just going to say "oh, well and do them anyhow". Again, I am not trying to be rude. 

I know that sometimes you have to use a little more encouragement while dealing with animals that are triple our size, but please..please...please try a little more patience. Have you even tried another pad? Maybe you should try rubbing it all over her or leaving her in her stall for a few hours with the pad in there with her or even spend several hours with her with you sitting on the pad or laying on the pad while feeding her or petting her. Let her know that there is not way that this is going to cause her any harm...I've already remarked more than I wanted to on your comments, so good luck to you and YOUR HORSE

Re: Re: Re: Re: Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Craig Hamilton   

Oh Yes Lynnie I definitely recommend backing her into a corner, especially if you don't mind getting turned into corral pizza! 

BAD IDEA! DON'T GO THERE. 

There is nothing quite so humbling and dangerous as putting a 1000 pound animal into a corner and forcing them to accept something. Imagine a pro NFL linebacker dropping a shoulder into you and then doing a tap dance on your chest, only now imagine he weighs a thousand pounds or more, need I say any anything else? 

Do you have access to a round corral? or even just a corral that she can be made to move around in without hurting herself? If so then this is really not a very big problem. 

What I would suggest is pretty simple, put her in the corral absolutely loose with no restraints. Then walk in with the saddle pad in hand, Walk up to her and hold it out to her, give her room to leave you because the lesson here is that we are going to show her how to change her own mind about this pad instead of trying to make her accept it.  Much more powerful and effective.  Now she will probably leave you and turn to run around the pen, good! when she does make her keep moving for a while, just drop the pad on the ground so she doesn't accidentally feel that you are chasing her with it.  

After she has made a dozen or so circles around the pen drop your energy level and give her the opportunity to stop for a little break from her exertions.  Now gently reach down and pick up the pad again, if she leaves at this point then put her to work again, some more circles , only this time be watching her pretty closely to see if she wants to stop on her own. If she shows you a sign such as licking her lips or just by keeping the inside ear and eye on you then let her stop. Repeat the pad thing. She will pretty quickly start thinking that perhaps this pad is not such a big deal as opposed to moving around the pen.  So if she stands to let you pick it up then gently approach her with it. 

Hold it our in front of you just slightly to see if she might want to smell it. If she does go no further. Put the pad down and just pet her face. Walk on up to her and scratch her neck and love on her a little. The turn around and as you leave pick up the pad as you go. Go to the middle of the pen and set it down. Just stand there for say 20 to 30 seconds and let her relax. Then gently pick up the pad and start towards her again. This time however you are going to let her smell it again but she won't smell it very much because of course she has already smelled it once and knows as well as you just what it is. Now slowly ease it forward towards her neck, if she can't take this much pressure and leaves then around the pen she goes for a few more laps. 

This may seem like it is very time consuming but believe me very quickly now she is going to be doing some thinking on her own. She is going to be trying to talk her own self into liking that pad! You have to go slow for a while because just like you or I just because we want to believe something there is still a little time frame that must be considered.  I will bet you that by the end of a 30 minute session she will find that she actually likes that pad. The reason being is that she will relate the pad with relief. Like the pad , stand and relax. Spook at the pad and around she goes. She will figure this out very quickly.  I have taken many horses just like this one and by doing something like I am describing can very shortly place a pad or a saddle or a garbage sack or just about what ever you can think of any where on them. You can even toss it on their backs and they won't care. Reason being that they have now decided that they WANT to like what your selling,, 

Major difference.

Re: Re: Re:  Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Priscilla Gomez   

You have such wonderful advise, I like the way you seem to handle horses and I hope that your advise is taken. More people should care about their horses to be a patient teacher, like yourself.

Re: Re: Re: Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Natrlhorse   12/22/99

  You took the words right out of my mouth Craig, I couldn't have put it better myself :) 

But there was one little thing I wanted to make comment on- Lynnie said she might jerk on the halter and that is another BIG no no and an all to common mistake. Try this with a friend Lynnie, walk up to him and offer your hand, when he reaches out for your hand suddenly jerk his arm (this needs to be a surprise) Your friend's natural reaction will be to resist you, to pull back. When you jerk on your horse his natural reaction is to resist you and pull away. When you jerk on your horse as a punishment or a "correction" you are actually teaching him unwanted behavior. 

Re: Shying From the Saddle Blanket By Priscilla Gomez   12/22/99 

Another caring sole.....you and Craig seem to be knowledgeable people who have been around horses for a long time and have dealt with many verities of horses and behaviors. I hope that Lynne will take your advise as well. I was told when I got Chopper that I should never, never put myself and him in the position where he relates bad behavior or pain with ME. I totally agree jerking is not the way to go.

Shying From the Saddle Blanket my 2cents and it may not be popular By Allison  

Lynnie 

From what you have described the horse doing when approached with the blanket the "old cowboys" advice I take to mean if she backs away from it let her keep going back until she can't anymore (the corner) But don't trap her in it let her walk forward (so she knows that there are limits to how far she can get away then take her back to the starting point and approach again (with the blanket) let her go back to the corner again and so on till she will stand (I have done this with success for a horse that would not let anyone mount unless someone was standing near it) it will take lots of time or only a little time but you need to have lots of time to spare before starting Craigs favorite saying (it takes the time it takes) (or something like that) 

I AGREE TOTALLY with the others about slapping and jerking the lead PLEASE DON'T  The reason we can do what we do with horses is because they are/we teach them to be submissive But this must be done in the most gentle way possible using brain not braun you will never win with trying to fight it out with them